Win or lose, Corbyn poses deep questions for the Greens
With thanks to Sam Mace, Labour Party member, for his excellent knowledge of Labour and electoral politics.
The unexpected rise of Jeremy Corbyn poses a dilemma for the Green Party. Whilst clearly agreeing with a lot of what he says and stands for, and welcoming the spicing up of a usually bland political discourse, only the naïve would fail to realise he presents a real electoral threat to us. We have, for some time now, painted ourselves as an alternative to a Labour that has lost its way- if Corbyn were elected, would such a caricature hold sway anymore? Politics is a complicated business, especially the multi-party one we find ourselves in now, and so there are positives and negatives for the Greens to consider whether the Islington MP wins or loses this leadership race.
Let’s take the case of Corbyn losing first. It could decisively seal Labour’s fate in the eyes of many, although by no means all, of the British Left and prompt many of those still hoping for a renewed socialist Labour to finally abandon the pipe dream and look for a new home. Many of these could settle with the Greens, but this shouldn’t be assumed. There seems to increasingly be the notion that the Lib Dems have been hard done by, and in some quarters people feel that they halted much of the worst of Tory policy and should be praised for this. Add in the newly elected left-wing Farron and the Lib Dems could scoop up a number of left-wing disaffected Labour members that could otherwise be going to the Greens: should Corbyn lose the Greens should not be complacent but rather see it as a signal to up their game. Maybe, however, Corbyn coming second will do enough to plug the exodus and leave us, depressingly, still debating whether there is any hope for Labour reverting to a left wing force or not, pretty much back to square one.
The flip side is that a Corbyn loss could also decisively seal the fate of left-wing ideals in British politics, at least for a while. Many commentators crow that the public definitively rejected socialism when they rejected Miliband: how much more so will they say this when even Labour party members don’t propel a genuine socialist agenda to victory? The other candidates are likely to fail to draw the lessons they should from the storm Corbyn has caused, instead continuing to crow that only a ‘balanced’ ‘business friendly’ approach can woo voters. This could make the Green voice become increasingly marginalised and obscure in a political rhetoric even more bland than we currently witness.
A Corbyn win, however, also comes with its own problems. It will make it harder, although not impossible, for the Greens to gain ground electorally, with the ‘only party of the Left’ line being harder to sell. It could open the doors to a progressive alliance and Labour backing off in key seats, however, so our share of seats may go up even if our share of the vote remains fairly unchanged. Corbyn may be open to this but there would, I suspect, be significant resistance within his party, particularly from those who would be required to sacrifice a chance at the Commons. There’ll likely be many more controversial issues higher up on Corbyn’s agenda if he won so he won’t want to use up too much of the good graces of his backbenchers on this issue.
Just as him losing may sully the name of the Left in the eyes of the public (aided by the tabloids no doubt), a Corbyn victory would surely begin to draw the Overton Window back towards the Left after years of a rightwards trajectory. It would mean many of the ideas of the Greens, currently scoffed at or ignored, might begin once more to be discussed in the mainstream and, heaven forbid, maybe even debated in the Commons. This could lend an air of legitimacy to the Greens, as well as see more and more people begin to seriously consider at least some of our policies.
It’s also important to bear in mind that even if Corbyn does win, Labour won’t be magically transformed overnight. He may well help make some left-wing proposals enter into the political rhetoric, but this may serve only to pave the way to Green success if he proves ultimately unable to bring his own party in line. Much of his promises, although undoubtedly heartfelt now, may simply be unable to get past the Blairites that will still dominant the higher echelons of his party. A Corbyn that fails to deliver (some have drawn analogies to Tsipras in Greece) or is deposed too soon, may end up pushing more people towards the Greens in the end anyway.
This brings us to the matter of a Labour split. If Corbyn loses it’s more likely there’ll be a considerable number of disgruntled Corbynites looking for a new home with the Greens or Lib Dems, but not a decisive split. If Corbyn wins, however, it seems more likely (although still far from certain) that they’ll be a real break-up, if not straight away then at least in the near future, as the unhappy ones in this instance are more likely to be senior party figures rather than grass roots (although many currently threatening a coup are probably not entirely genuine).
If there is a split, should the Greens consider an alliance with the more left-leaning of the pair? Or possibly even a formal merger? Such a move could reinvigorate both parties of the merger and become a really bold and energised movement of the broad left, something desperately needed if climate change and inequality are to be halted before they cause irreparable damage. The left-wing Labour splinter would hopefully bring strong links to trade unions and traditional working class strongholds in the North, whilst the Greens would bring a vision and understanding of how interconnected so many policy areas are, how economy impacts society which impacts environment, as well as better internal democracy and inclusion of minority groups. Many Greens, however, will feel that there would still be irreconcilable differences between even the left of Labour and themselves, perhaps distrusting people that supported a party so terrible in opposition, whilst many of the Labour splinter may question the electoral advantage to be gained from siding with the Greens.
All or none of the above may be right: political foretelling is a risky business at the best of times, and the past year has been some of the most unpredictable and tumultuous in recent history. I have always been struck by how many within the Green Party view their involvement in the party as about more than partisanship: they are in it for the values of the party, not purely electoral gain. If Corbyn doing well edges these values a little closer to realisation, then we should support him, in whatever way we feel comfortable with. The spotlight is on Left-Wing ideas now like it hasn’t been in some time: those that support such ideas should overcome the stereotype of a fractious and bickering Left and instead see this moment as an opportunity to do some good, Greens included.
THE CORBYN QUESTION :
The Labour Party is choosing a new leader; the ballots go out this week. In case you missed it, MP Jeremy Corbyn is in the lead to win.
What should be the response of progressives and socialists?
“If Corbyn wins, it will change the dynamics of our movement…we shouldn’t give up the Labour Party without a fight.”
OR
“A colossal distraction…changing the Labour Party is like trying to get a rugby club to play cricket.”
A debate from wellredfilms (wellredfilms@gmail.com)
I have no idea how it will go.
Presumably if Corbyn wins, those 100-150 Green candidates from the May elections who have enrolled to vote would defect to Labour? That would seem to indicate that there will be some movement in that direction, unless a) Labour has found false positives or b) It is simple trolling.
“More than 100 Green Party candidates have tried to join Labour in the latest evidence of entryism by people who want to vote for Jeremy Corbyn in the party’s leadership contest.
A trawl of Green candidates in this May’s general and local elections by Labour officials found that about 4 per cent of them have applied to join Labour since then. Between 100 and 150 Greens have had their applications rejected”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-100-green-party-candidates-have-joined-party-in-latest-evidence-of-entryism-10441692.html
Some very good points made. If Labour lurch back to the left, many Green supporters will jump ship to vote Labour.
There is no reason why a Green Party should be left or right wing. The Green Party have tacked on a huge number of left-wing social values to their green agenda, many of which are in conflict with ecological principles. A large, bureaucratic state and heavy taxation are both necessary to implement the Greens’ socialist social policies, yet these are surely at odds with the unspoken truth that ecology requires low economic output and some form of anarchism. Similarly, their (Neo)liberal views on immigration are completely at odds with building sustainable, resilient communities.
It is not Conservatism, but Neoliberalism which is the enemy of sustainability. The best long-term bet for the Greens could actually be to attract Tory voters with a promise of preserving the countryside and encouraging the ‘good life’. This idea would be anathema to most decision-makers in the Green Party, of course.
When I get the time, I’ll add more on this here: https://kerrysmallman.wordpress.com
This article seems to be making the sane defeatist points the Labour propaganda machine has been making. Win or lose, Corbyn has re-activated the labour left, united it and given it a voice again. People who abandoned the movement completely, or those who moved to Left Unity or TUSC are coming back – no doubt some Green members will be going back to Labour too. Will all these people and this energy simply disappear if Corbyn loses? Of course not.
I was at the Class conference last year and the anger of regular Labour and trade union members was palpable. All the Labour MPs, with the exemption of Diane Abbott, were greeted with disdain and sometimes visible rage. The message of the day, carried eloquently by PCSU leader Mark Serwotka, was vote Labour – but if Labour didn’t respect the core and shift left, they would fight and campaign against them. The parliamentary party was given its last warning. And what we are seeing with Corbyn is exactly this – this movement is now on the march and will not stop.
Labour is taking action to ‘weed out entryists’ but this is fast looking like a witch-hunt and the start of a plan to discredit the election should Corbyn win. How will Labour tell the difference between mischief makers and people who genuinely have returned to the fold? It appears the main criterion will be who they vote for. And the effect of such a campaign, if it succeeds, will be to split the party apart. And where these people go will depend on what happens to Corbyn after the election.
Another flawed assumption above is that the Greens and a progressive Socialist party under Corbyn would share so many common goals that we should basically join up ourselves. Unfortunately even such a government would not be enough to tackle climate change and the levels of social inequality that have come from rampant neb-liberalist capitalism. It’s too late. Corbin’s socialism is still based on capital growth, and if we are to effectively fight climate change, we need to move to a post capitalist, localised, equitable economy. We could certainly work with Corbynites in a progressive alliance, but we would need constantly to be making them more Green. So far from Green becoming less relevant, it would be crucial for us not to lose sight of those fundamental differences in our ideologies and use our influence to the best of our ability.
I was not assuming that a merger would happen (I specifically stated this) I was merely exploring it as an option 🙂 I do however think that a merger with the left of the Labour Party would be something worth entering discussions about
It’s notoriously difficult to make political predictions with any accuracy, which is why I guess political pundits abound writing pieces like this! There are any number of possible scenarios; maybe some not even vaguely obvious yet.
It is an odd juxtaposition, isn’t it? On the one hand, the Green Party is desperate for the political consensus to realize the wisdom & popularity of the party’s positions. On the other hand, it’s almost as if there’s a noose around the neck and a trap door beneath the feet as soon as someone comes along saying the same things. What ought to be remembered however, is that social values are only one strand of the double helix of the Green Party’s DNA, and that environmental concerns are, quite rightly, hugely important too. I don’t know much about Mr. Corbyn’s environmental credentials, but I do know that historically, other parties have put a thin, Green veneer on their politics in the hope that the general public will think that that’s enough.
It would be for the good of the whole country if the Labour Party regains its sense of social responsibility. It would be good for the entire World if the Green Party’s policies begin to be enacted.
Dear Moderator: Just wondering about the moderation of my question of last night?
A mostly excellent analysis; though I do have to question the possibility of left-wingers returning to the Lib Dems any time soon. They’ll take more than one parliamentary term to detoxify.
The Green Party was never set up as a left or right party, it is like the liberal’s with that respect. Better Labour to be a Green Party lite than a Conservative lite.
This article was briefly on Green Left today. And I thought it made some good points and was about to comment. But then this piece was suddenly NOT there. I am not suggesting there was censorship… but I am interested as to why it is no longer there. Can you please inform us of the reason?
Hi Alan, I’m not sure of your question here – we don’t run the Green Left site so we don’t know anything about why and how it would have appeared and disappeared from there. Sorry!
Violeta Vajda, Co-editor, Bright Green
Nothing suspicious – I shared the link on the Green Left Facebook group and then I decided to delete it after a couple of minutes.
Thanks for the responses, Violeta and William.
There has been talk in the media of a potential coup by right-wing Labour MPs if Jeremy Corbyn is elected Labour leader. If this coup happens (e.g. staged by Andy Burnham) what will it mean for the Green Party?
On another note, I believe the Greens can still find some votes to take from the Liberal Democrats in the right areas, particularly left-leaning liberal places like the city of Bath, and places which have recently lost Lib Dem MPs to Labour like Hornsey & Wood Green where there is a stable Green voting base, and where the Greens have often stood long before the surge of 2014.
Interesting perspective regarding Bath and other possibilities. The Green Party must be proactive, and not wait for events outside their direct control.
If there is a coup in Labour, or endless in fighting and bickering then there is the possibility of considerable gain, but for that to happen the contacts and foundations of trust and positioning must be in place. A lot of work and much of it requiring a delicate touch. A difficult balance.
If there is a split of the broad church that is the Labour Party – and we’ve probably all thought that it’s a distinct possibility – it’s hard to predict the fallout with any accuracy:
Would there be two camps, or would it be messier than that?
Which would be the larger (and therefore more power-wielding) faction?
Would they stay as two groups or would they join other parties? What about their constituencies?
How many might go to TUSC, Lib Dems, Respect, or even UKIP?
Don’t misunderstand me, there’s nothing I’d like more than to swell the number of Greens on the Green benches, (except perhaps a Green Mayor of London), but these MPs have known Green Party policies for a long time, and haven’t been tempted by them before…
What this phenomenon shows is that whatever outcome follows, the most vital next step for the left is to emphasise need to reform electoral system. If I lived in Corbyn s ward, yes, I would vite for him as MP but majority of so called “Labour” MPs are a liability for the left and while many of us hope to see Corbyn win leadership, reaching the goals of left wing voters will mean a reformed Labour party under Corbyn creating electoral alliances with the more trusted credible parties of the SNP, Green party and Plaid Cymru.
Agree PR is vital for a rejuvenated political system. Coalition parties will then become the norm making more consensual decisions. People can then vote for and hear the viewpoints of many different viewpoints and philosophies. Labour has to support this though for it to happen, I think, and I believe Corbyn does.