Why I love Samba
This is a response by guest writer Nadia Idle to Adam Ramsay’s article Why I hate Samba, published in the first edition of the Occupied Times.
Adam Ramsay, you are wrong about samba and this is why:
Actually first, before we inspect your analysis, lets clear up one thing. If, when you hear the bass of the big samba drums in the street, it doesn’t make you want to run towards the music, join the crowd and jump up and down and move your body, I can’t make you. You either feel it or you don’t. And is you describe samba as “cheering”, my guess is that you don’t.
But let’s get into the politics now. Regardless of whether you like the music or not. I’d like to tackle the recurring theme of “Britishness” which permeates your sentiment filled argument. Here we go.
Assumption number one: Everyone who goes on demonstrations “gets slightly embarrassed” about being on a demonstration and this has something to do with being British which you imply is natural to one’s Britishness. I do not know anyone who finds demonstrating embarrassing. They must be out there, and apparently you are one of them. I find this so fascinating, that I’m coming up to Oxford for a pint with you so I can get into the social psychology of that statement. In my experience, people may feel emancipated, bored, worthy, helpless, empowered, belonging, tribal and all sorts of other things by demonstrating, but I’ve not come across the People’s Front of Embarrassed Citizens cos we’re British yet, maybe it’s because I’m too busy playing samba, or maybe it is because they don’t exist. Or that there are few of them. Or at least fewer than you think. And I think they’re embarrassment has little to do with being British, and more to do with their life experience.
Assumption number two: The “dressing up” we do is some kind of quintessentially British Monty Pythonesque cum Carry on Occupying affliction to hide this apparent embarrassment of demonstrating/being in a public space. Like we wake up in the morning and think I’m going to a demo, I better hide my true self behind my strippy socks. Adam, it’s not that you don’t like “dressing up” at demos, you just don’t like “dressing up” on a day-to-day basis. There are three issues here. One you assume that since people are dressed a certain way that they are 1) dressed wildly out of the ordinary, normal, “British” etc. I am dressed today quite similarly to how I would dress at most samba gigs and demos. And yes I work in an office. 2) Why are your staple baggy chinos and checked shirt look, or wearing suits on a daily basis any less of a costume than what some of us wear? 3) That people wearing things that you don’t wear is alienating to other people. The logical argument stemming from this is that we should all wear exactly the same to make sure that they don’t judge us by how we look. This brings me onto 4) Rule number one of progressive politics – never ever judge people by how they look. We all do it and make assumptions about those people, and activists are just as bad as other groups. The uniform makes us feel secure, I know. But judging by what you see is wrong. That is what you are doing. So at least recognise that’s what you’re doing and start apologising now. In that very British way please.<
Assumption three: Samba is not British. Our activisty street demo style samba is as Brazilian as Chicken Tikka Masala is Indian. Ie it is not. Or it is it kind of sounds and smells “not from round here” (we’ll deal with THAT in the next section) – but there is definitely some time and space fusion going on. And a back story. Our samba has a back story. I’m not going to go into it. But I can assure you that Rhythms of Resistance and Barking Bateria’s samba would make the Brazilian crisp white trousered samba purists cringe. That’s if they even recognise it as samba. I don’t like purists. It’s the racism of art. And anyway, over the years we’ve created bits of song to the rhythm of the beat so that new people can remember the rhythm that go “Doing the Lambeth Walk” and “You’ve got custard in your underpants”. Custard is pretty British. It’s definitely British by your criteria. Lambeth is pretty London. Lager features in one song we do. Point being if you think we’re all practicing our Portuguese and polishing our Carnaval costumes and sipping caperinias at rehearsal, you’ve got another one coming mate.
Assumption number four: Britishness is definable, exclusionary and exclusive. It includes things like Dubstep and Morris Dancing but not samba. This is underlies everything you’ve said. I’m quite shocked. Not that this view exists, but that you hold this view, because I thought I had at least a vague understanding of your politics from working with you. I’ll go back to the purist thing. Your argument is borderline nationalist in the worst sense. Just because you threw rap in there doesn’t make your argument any less conservative and judgemental. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, because you’re a nice guy, by suggesting that you are confusing your dislike for the sound with your dislike for the participation of those people and that action making the sound, and their fundamental right to not have to explain their origins or authenticity before participating in collective public action. Just as your Perth school band was real, so is this. Welcome to London, Adam. We don’t all drink tea, like queuing and saying sorry for no reason. There is of course a stereotype (which the tourist industry relies on) and we’re here to break it. I’ve got a “funny” accent. Guess what it’s a “not from round here” accent. “Not from round here” or “not authentically British” is just another way of saying, something about you/what you do/how you look makes me uncomfortable so I am going to alienate you by claiming ownership over a space/time/event/word. Isn’t that a major part of what we are fighting against?
Ok, so we’ve dealt with the Britishness issue – lets get into the politics of music. One thing that seems to pain you is the fact that you don’t think any of us really listen to samba, so why should we tolerate it at demos. Weird argument. For two reasons. One I haven’t gone through the playlists/CDs/tape decks of everyone I’ve ever played samba with but I’m pretty sure some will have some sort of samba, but most wont. Regardless how many, yes Adam there are people out there who listen to samba and play some form of it too. Secondly, the whole point of our brand of samba is that it works best in certain settings, i.e the street/warehouses/fields etc rather than amplified through your ear phones. Do I have to commit to enjoying certain sounds at all times of day, everywhere in all contexts? I’m pretty sure I don’t have any electronic music on my player, but I sure like a good psychedelic trance party. Sometimes the birds sing and I think, ah, that’s lovely, other times I’m indifferent. Sometimes I get into 1980s white male punk band sounds and sometimes I can’t stand it. Surely that’s ok, acceptable and, dare I say it, normal?
One more thing on the politics of samba and carnival as resistance. There is a long tradition of this around the world. I wont go into it all here. But there are also tactical reasons why having a big band of people bashing big drums has been very useful in demonstrations and public actions. And music is important. The spirit of Tahrir and countless successful movements were held together by music keeping the spirit up and the steadfastness strong. It may not be to your taste sometimes, but you cant deny the role it has played and continues to play.
Lastly – the culture of our samba collectives. I will only speak of those in London, that I know well. This is important. Unlike your definition of Britishness, we are all inclusive. Way more inclusive than many political groups I’ve come across. Anyone or everyone can join my band. Some are very musical, some borderline tone deaf. Some have been playing for 13 years, for some it’s their first week. Some have been around for ages, some come and go. It’s transient and that works fine. If you go, you can always come back. And we’ve got as our post-Thatcher class obsessed society would say, people who are working class, upper class, underclass, middle class. We’ve got 80 year old and 8 year olds. We’ve got the mums and daughters, the electricians, the unemployed, the disabled, the teachers, the students, the uni lecturers the alcoholics, the teetotallers, the hyperactive, the shy, the quiet, and the downright mad.
And that is exactly it. We are a collection of different people and we are all being ourselves. You are obviously concerned about people being authentic and true to their selves and I’ve never seen a less oppressive, less controlled more free space than the one that samba creates for people to express themselves.
Which brings me onto another point. Not everyone has the background, education, training, or simply the will or the want to express their politics, or their anger through writing or talking. Street samba allows a lot of people who don’t belong to a distinct, neat, well trained and culturally self reinforced political grouping (by exclusion or choice) to be part of something bigger, to be counted to join in. To me that is very very very important. I want to live in a society which accepts all sorts into the mix. Where people feel they have an entitlement over public space, and where they can bring themselves into that inclusive space. Surely that is that is what is most commendable and fantastic thing about the Occupy movement is that inclusiveness. It’s not just about the demands, it’s about the space and the voice.
And finally, a personal point. As a mixed race Egyptian, Turkish, Irish, English, Celtic, Anglo, Arab (you get the point) woman, when I moved to the UK in 2002, I took solace in the infusion of smells, colours and sounds of the mish mash that is London. I felt at home. Because not everyone was playing, singing sounding the same, which would have been alienating for someone like me. I’m really happy that I’m exposed to cultural elements, that yes may have been (shock, horror!) influenced by other cultures. I really like to move my body. Nature or nurture is arguable, but samba makes me groove and makes me happy, and crucially it makes other people happy when I play it with other people. Also, “the British” are, according to the stereotype, not known for their warmth. But I have never found a more loving, welcoming, generous, accepting, non judgemental and fun bunch of people as I have through samba in London. That’s why I keep coming back for more. And so do many others!
And the music may not move you, but it moves a hell of a lot of people on the street. It fills the space and people feel they own the space, which they should. That is the first step to activism. People should feel a sense of collective entitlement of public space and the urge to reclaim it is healthy. And sometimes that comes through the power of music, rather than words. We also don’t take ourselves too seriously. And we like to party. We like that freedom. We reject pointless rules telling us where, why and how. And so do many others.
Very interesting.
There’s an exciting world routes on Pravda this evening, if you want to investigate the Brazillian origins of Samba.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01ghb95
See you maybe at the maternity unit demo in William Hague’s constituency.
Nice article Nadia,
Having read both yours and Adam’s article, I’m just chuffed that people are talking about it. Adam’s article (although with a negative spin in it’s title) has served a purpose to debate a topic of samba’s role in protest in the uk (of which a nicer title and in retrospect ‘stance’ on the issue may have not lead to this outcome).
Looking at this, Gary said that this response was… “defensive, over-personal and frankly nasty article that manufactures a series of straw men in order to give the author multiple opportunities to take offence, and all but brands Adam a racist.”
Erm… no.
As a person who is heavily into samba to the point where I practically live a samba lifestyle (I’m actually listening to it as I type this), I didn’t come to that conclusion Gary.
As an author you have to be prepared to be potentially shot down by one of your readers whose opinions are against theirs. Its standard. And if it isn’t it should be. Nadia does commend Adam on many occasions to be a nice guy, and she firm fingeredly (yes thats not a word) pokes at any sweeping statements or statements that to Nadia don’t make sense in the current British climate.
I’m only ten years older than Adam and have gone through the CJB (Criminal Justice Bill) which then led to the CJA (Criminal Justice Act), Reclaim the Streets, Anti Capitalism, Climate Change, Stop the War and all manner of political protests.
What music was there on the streets?
Techno, Brass Bands, Dhol Groups, Pedal Powered Sound Systems, Folk Bands, Cheerleaders and of course your standard crowd rousing megaphone inspired chanting (with and without a samba backbeat).
Its all been out there and is still out there. Its more likely that people probably have a much harder time getting a large white van into the throng of 10,000 people with a kick arse sound system to deliver the techno necessary for your listening and hopefully dancing pleasure.
Your article should have read ‘where’s all the other music gone?’
Samba, born from practices that were disobeying authorities in plantations, houses and streets in Brazil many moons ago (oops, that’s out the bag) is born from protest. Many carnivals or Mardi Gras has formed out of the back of musical protest. Samba then spurned many forms and styles, like samba reggae and other samba fusion rhythms within samba groups like drum n bass, ragga, funk… but to the untrained ear is just set drums banging along. So even within samba it has many different styles.
What Adam fails to notice and Nadia jumps on is that there’s plenty of space, freedom and time for everyone to have their thing at a demonstration. And not only is there that, there’s choice too, just don’t choose to stand next to a samba group if your soul purpose is to chant and be heard clearly, although it’s still possible, believe me.
Oh. Whilst I’m here… people have been exposed to samba on many occasions i.e. The Friendly Fires, Bombay Bicycle Club, Shakira, Paul Simon, Snoop Dogg ft Pharell, Michael Jackson, Basement Jaxx, Simply Red and more… It’s just sneakily fed to the masses.
From Batucada Mandela in 1990 at the Poll Tax Protets to Bloco Liberdade at the Stop the Cuts March in 2011 samba is and has been part of the protest movement in the UK.
I’m sticking with Nadia, Adam… you have every right to your opinion. And I respect that, as well as thank you for bringing it up.
But samba’s here to stay as one of many components (as Topiman put it) of protest. Why, cos’ it’s universal and doesn’t require any language.
Bom-tiddly, bom, bom… bom, bom.
(and I bet most of you read that with the same melody in your head). ;0)
That me done. Next!!
“I doubt Adam’s Perth band played many songs that the real 99% could identify with (i.e. some Rai, Afrobeat, etc). ”
Within a Scottish cultural context, I absolutely guarantee you that the standard pipe band repertoire is very widely recognised indeed. People may not know the names of the tunes, but they know the tunes.
By contrast, I’m only 38 and I have absolutely no idea what “Rai” or “Afrobeat” even are. Styles? Bands? No idea.
Justin – I think I love you a little.
I do have massive respect for Adam, you are right.
However, my life experience is different to his and this led me to have a passionate reaction to some of the things he said in his piece.
Fair point Gary.
I know what a brilliant person Adam is, and (rightly or wrongly) I felt that Nadia also deeply respects him. I know that sounds weird given the absolutely personal sounding criticisms she was making, but I took that as just her style, her way of reacting to views she strongly rejects, I didn’t take it as laying into Adam.
Jim Jepps response above I found equally enjoyable – which again sounds weird because I completely agree with Matt that the endless negative criticism and personal attacks in blogs are a complete pain in the neck.
So I’m not quite sure why I am not experiencing these pieces as being in that vein? Maybe it’s because I trust that everyone here really cares. I certainly know Adam does so Nadia’s writing didn’t evoke any sense of a personal attack on him – though ‘objectively’ it maybe should have.
Maybe part of this is my sense that it can be quite hard for us white privileged men to be told really clearly when we are getting something wrong (and I appreciate from Nishma’s writing that both Adam and Nadia have strong points to make) and it can be really useful when someone does that no holds barred, as long as it is not a personal attack, and as long as the person realises that the stronger their criticism the more they reveal about the shortcomings of their own world view too . . .
I definitely didn’t mean to be nasty. That would be a ridiculous intention.
But as Adam didn’t and shouldn’t apologise for his views, I am not going to apologise for mine. He kindly invited me to respond to his piece and I did.
I also am fully aware that I responded in a certain way and picked certain issues and bits in Adam’s piece to dispute. It was never meant to be holistic and neither should it attempt to be.
As for my style of writing, that’s my style of writing. I’m not a journalist – or represent anyone.
In Summary:
Nadia seems to be saying that samba makes her feel accepted because she is not a white British person, while Adam is saying samba alienates the *stereotypical* British person because it is a cultural niche.
They are both right in their views, to an extent, but perhaps there needs to be MORE THAN just a Samba band on a march. Perhaps a school band and a samba band and a rock band, etc.
Ellie –
I understand that not playing into an activist niche is important, but I also think that Nadia highlights what Adam is perhaps a little more unaware of. Compare/contrast Samba bands with general activist circles, and you would find (in my experience) that the former are so much more welcoming AND culturally diverse – despite the lack of originality in attire.
It would be good if Samba had some diversity, but it would be even better if activism as a whole had some broader diversity. I doubt Adam’s Perth band played many songs that the real 99% could identify with (i.e. some Rai, Afrobeat, etc).
Activism has become narrow, but Samba bands are the least of our concerns. The bigger questions should be asked of ex-Climate Campers (see Just Do It for a good example) and UKUncut (leaders) who still hold a sense of hierarchy over particular movements and barely know what diversity is.
I’ve read both articles with interest, and I both have some excellent points to consider.
If I could offer one suggestion Nadia, it is regarding your approach in responding to Adam’s piece.
My issue is that while you have some excellent points to make, I feel they are far too personally targetted at Adam, and whether intended or not, come across, as Gary says above, a bit nasty as a result.
Yes, Adam wrote the piece you are responding to, and yes they are his opinions that you disagree with, but I think there are ways of challenging views and opinions without having to be so personal or antagonistic in the approach. I see it all the time in journalism and blogs, and it frustrates the hell out of me.
Aside from the negative impact of personal attacks on the people targetted, I think that good arguments hold so much more credibility when written with the mantra “challenge the opinion, not the person”
Jim Jepps +1
Just keep pretending we don’t like samba and activist chic because we ‘just don’t get it’ or consider us to have a problem or ‘issues’.
Punk and reggae used to motivate people to protest and huge numbers of ‘normal’ people did. And the Clash had some tunes.
In other words: would love to see samba bands wearing different outfits at times, and not just playing samba, but some coldplay, scottish folk music, r&b, and cantopop too. Music is powerful stuff!
Hi Nishma,
The issue with samba is not that it is ‘foreign’. (though as Nadia points out above, it isn’t brazilian either). Everything ‘British’ is foreign originally.
The issue with samba is that on the activist scene it is wildly over-represented in relation to how much non-activists (or indeed activists when they are at home) listen to it. It is not just the stereotypes kindly charicatured in the above article, but the vast majority of all non-activists from whatever ‘cultural background’ would generally identify with different music.
Which is fine. And samba is great.
But from a political perspective, is it wise for a movement which is trying to be open and appealing to everyone, to be over-dominated by one particular sub/mono-culture of music (in cases bordering on identity)? In particular one which does not have an existing connection to most other people in the community be they blue, green or purple? And one so loud and attention seeking that a crowd dressed and behaving like an average group pulled off any London street, ‘being themselves’, will be completely drowned out?
There is a time and a place for it.
Not an issue worth falling over one. But certainly worth some introspection.
Clarification – Adam offered to put a response up if I wrote one – and he did! – I didnt ask for it to be anonymous, but my name didnt appear on the article.
Perhaps what I mean to say is what is “real” or “normal” to Adam may not be “real” or “normal” to others. Some of us are “Othered” just by being women, or by having the skin colour we were born with. And there is nothing we can do about it.
As the Other Person of Colour in the lot, I think this article is brilliant. The astute sense of “Britishness” that Adam’s article seemed to suggest (though his angle was certainly that of not fetishising other cultures) is relevant, and breaks into the key problem of multiculturalism: Where is line between celebrating a culture and exoticising it?
Samba band (groups) tend to be more inclusive than most political groups, especially to people of colour. Often when you’re speaking to left activists who define themselves as British, it is difficult to relate to them because you can’t take part in the same actions (such as arrestable actions, or pub chats, or eating a plate of fish & chips) because your culture is distinctly difficult. I know that I have had to change a lot of my behaviour to fit in with the left in the UK (such as ending my teetotal days).
The point is – why would Samba be any *worse* than any other music on the street? What makes it different to rap, dubstep or bagpipes?
Britishness is defined through an archaic sense of traditionalism that is constructed by those in power. Let’s not forget that.
I want to issue an unreserved apology. In the previous thread I remarked upon a possible smugness among the samba community. However, I now know I was wrong.
It turns out that among “the culture of our samba collectives… I have never found a more loving, welcoming, generous, accepting, non judgemental and fun bunch of people as I have through samba in London.”
Had I realised how awesome samba people were I would have put aside my reservations about the political problems caused by how unlike everyone else sections of the activist community are (and not in a good way) and plunged myself enthusiastically into the clanking cacophonous mess.
It may at first seem odd to tell people that don’t like samba that everyone likes samba but the answer is not to listen to these voices of despair, they are from non-awesome worthless people, and just play louder until absolutely nothing else can be heard.
Apologies, Ellie, this was an editorial mistake – the article isn’t intended to be anonymous: it’s by Nadia Idle. I have amended the standfirst accordingly.
In almost 2000 words, not once does the (anonomous?) writer engage with Adam’s main point – some people find samba alienating and this is worth considering.
However the word “I” appears 47 times and “you” over 50.
I’m surprised to hear you say that, Justin. To me this appears to be a defensive, over-personal and frankly nasty article that manufactures a series of straw men in order to give the author multiple opportunities to take offence, and all but brands Adam a racist.
It does, however, serve to illustrate exactly that lack of introspection within the protest movement that Adam’s original post was an attempt to address.
I’ve not read Adam’s piece that this is a response to, so I can’t make any judgement on any disagreement.
But I just wanted to say what a fantastic piece this is – a sheer delight to read: my guess is your samba does something similar. Thanks!