On anti Israelism and antisemitism
On March 12, two students at the University of St Andrews, where I work, visited the room of a third, who was living in the same hall of residence, and had what appears to have been an intense conversation on the subject of the state of Israel and its policies towards the Palestinians. At some point in the course of this conversation, it is alleged, the two visiting students placed their hands down their trousers and rubbed them on the large Israeli flag which the student whose room it was had on his wall. As a consequence of this, they have been charged with acting in a ‘racially aggravated manner intended to cause alarm or distress’ and making ‘comments of an offensive nature… contrary to the criminal justice act’. The case – which has been postponed twice – is to be resumed in August.
I do not know the students concerned, or the facts of the matter (which are presumably, in any case, sub judice). The closest I get is that my wife, who is a Palestinian refugee ran into one of them who told her that, if convicted and sent down from the University, he intended to do voluntary work at a refugee camp in Gaza.
I find the matter highly unfortunate regardless of what happened on that occasion on March 12, because it strikes me as antithetical to what being a university undergraduate ought to be about. As an undergraduate I remember with great regret occasions on which I was intellectually arrogant, pugnacious and naïve, and when I have no doubt I hurt some people’s feelings greatly. I hope that they have forgiven me since. Some, I like to think of as still being friends. But it is through experiences like this, far more than any lessons in citizenship, which teach people the skill, tact and sensitivity that are needed to live in a multicultural society. If conversations like this land one in court, then the vital space needed to produce this awareness is lost.
But – while I would like to make people aware of this case – my purpose in this piece is to talk about a wider issue. Not very helpfully, I think, The Courier – our local newspaper – as labeled the case from the outset as being about ‘anti-Semitism’. It strikes me as highly unlikely that the accused are indeed anti-Semitic – at least not in their own understanding of the term. And (assuming that there is no actual evidence to the contrary), that should presumably be the end of that matter. Criticism – even aggressive criticism of the State of Israel – is not anti-Semitism. This is, of course, despite that consummate skill with which supporters of Israel try to imply that criticism of that country is tantamount to hatred of Jews in general.
But does that mean that there are no limits to what is acceptable when it comes to expressing one’s criticism or citizens of Israel and their country? To give one example, a friend of mine who lives in Dundee – a Palestinian citizen of Israel – has expressed to me his concern about the extent to which Israelis manning stalls in that city’s Overgate shopping centre sometimes feel intimidated by pro-Palestinian protests against their work. To give another anecdotal example, I learned from an Israeli I spoke to in Jerusalem who claims that a sister of his who lives in Britain is too frightened to reveal her nationality.
I suppose that some will feel little sympathy for these people, whose discomfort is perhaps analogous to that felt by Apartheid South Africans. They may argue that it is precisely this sort of stigma that ultimately helped to propel change in this case.
I don’t necessarily deny this. But what worries me is that, by creating a radical separation between anti-Israelism and anti-Semitism we do two things: first, we risk ending up producing categories of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ Jews much is the same way as the anthropologist Mahmood Mamdani perceptively describes the production, by the Western media, of categories of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ Muslim. It is easy enough to say that one does not have anything against Jews as Jews but that one does have a problem with Zionism. But what do we then do when we are confronted with living, breathing Zionists? Realistically, many Jews do in fact support the state of Israel, including its violent actions against Palestinians. Realistically, many people are born into Israeli citizenship. For these people, Israel is their country. And the prospect of its potential dissolution is understandably terrifying. To express to such a person views which (as it happens) I myself hold – that Israel does not have (as nor does any other country have) a ‘right to exist’. That it certainly does not have the right to be recognized ‘as a Jewish state’ (any more than I expect other countries to recognize the right of my own to exist as a Protestant state), that it was founded on the ethnic cleansing of another people and that, practically speaking, its policies of illegal occupation and expansion in territories which once upon a time might have provided for a viable Palestinian state have now made impossible any solution that would not lead, in effect, to the end of Israel as we know it – to express these views to such a person in a certain kind of way might indeed be tantamount to intimidation.
I am certainly not talking here about what kinds of speech about Israel should be subject to legal sanction. I personally believe that the right to freedom of speech should be restricted only in the most extreme of circumstances. But I do think that it is worth considering at what point certain kinds of language directed at people who happen to be Israelis, or people who happen to be Jewish supporters of Israel ought to be considered socially unacceptable. I don’t think that the glib response of ‘I’m not anti-Semitic, I’m just anti-Israeli policies’ is necessarily enough.
There is, however, a corollary to this, which some may find rather shocking. I also think that we need to start adding some nuance to how we react to anti-Semitic discourse. Some may be drawing a breath at this moment. But that, in a way, is precisely my point. In the liberal pantheon of post-World War II liberalism, Adolf Hitler is Satan, and anti-Semitism is pretty much tantamount to Satanism. This, I think, is entirely reasonable in a sense. Satan, after all, is a myth, whereas the Holocaust isn’t. But it does depend, I think, on the anti-Semitism proceeding from a person who is embedded in a particular tradition – the same Western tradition which, through a particular set of historical and ideological circumstances, ended up being collectively responsible for murdering nearly six million Jewish people, together with some hundreds of thousands of gypsies, gay people and people with learning difficulties.
To make my point with regard to a faintly less controversial topic, let us consider for the time being the issue of racism in general. After all, whatever else it is, anti-Semitism is itself clearly a form of racism. Now racism is of course always utterly unacceptable. But not all racism is equally bad. There is awful racism (for example, as when a Syrian television series thought it was amusing to black up its actors and have them perform an ape-like dance in the context of a well-meant story about colonialism), and there is really awful racism (as when, reportedly, Japanese gangs roam the streets of Tokyo looking for Korean immigrants to beat up, and there is simply unimaginably awful racism, as when gangs in the Congolese civil war believed that eating pygmies gave them magical powers, and that it was therefore OK to hunt them for their flesh. Moreover, the badness of racism cannot simply be reduced to the extremity of opinions expressed. It also relates to complex issues of historical power relations. If a white British person says something a bit rude about French people in general, that is clearly not as bad as if she or he says something roughly similar about Pakistanis in general. Yesterday, my wife and I witnessed a couple of people in downtown Amman throw a racial jibe at a car full of black girls. That was bad, not least because of the historical difference in power relations between ethnic Arabs and black Africans. But I still submit that it would have been worse if the same slur had come from me.
The problem is that, in the present day, the proliferation of discourses of classic anti-Semitism in the Middle East is eagerly seized on as a way of utterly condemning a wider range of Islamic actors, a pretext for shutting off any possibility of dialogue. Given their own liberal insistence on the conversation stopping evil of anti-Semitism, this in turn forces apologists for these actors to change the subject, or gloss over its existence. Many times, I have come across pro-Palestinian Western activists who correct me when I turn to the subject of anti-Semitism among Palestinians and Arabs. I have got it wrong they say. These people are never anti-Semitic – only anti-Zionist. But this is simply not true. At almost any bookstall in the Middle East, one can find a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Time and time again, I have listened to people tell me about how the perfidy of the Jews from the earliest times, about the Jewish plot to control the world. When I sacrificed a sheep to celebrate the birth of my son, the butcher joked – when I commented on the skill with which he dispatched the animal ‘if only we were dong this to the Jews’. The man was being deliberately extreme, I think, trying to shock me. But even so.
It upsets me to hear this from people. It worries me. And apart from anything else, it frustrates me that the people who say these things to me are so utterly unaware of how counterproductive the things they are saying are. But I think that it is very important to understand two things. First: these sentiments, as grotesque as they are, don’t come out of nowhere. Palestinians – unlike Germans in the 1930s, or Russians in the 1890s, or English people in the 1190s actually have the experience of having really very significant crimes committed against them by people who, while they did not represent all Jews, did try to claim to. These claims also undoubtedly have played a role in shaping the anti-Semitic discourse of some Arabic people. Moreover, it is important to recognize that as widespread as they are, these discourses have a significant amount of plasticity. Quite apart from the fact that (well, obviously) all Palestinians (most Arabs I know are Palestinian) don’t hold the same opinions about Jews, my experience has always been that even individual Palestinians often express multiple, sometimes conflicting narratives, ranging from the liberal (the irony is the Jews, who were themselves victims, came to become oppressors), the modern anti-Semitic (a sinister Jewish conspiracy runs the world and is responsible for all the evils of modern life), the Islamist (Jews coexisted peacefully under Islamic rule for hundreds of years, only an Islamic state can solve our present-day conflict), the neofundamentalist (the Jews have always been a bad lot; they killed the prophets God sent down, and gave the prophet Muhammad no end of trouble). Which narrative is adopted often seems to have as much to do with contingent and emotive factors than any immovable set of beliefs. For example, even the most die hard Arabic holocaust deniers can, in my experience, be persuaded to reconsider their positions when one makes it clear that the holocaust does not in itself justify the Zionist project. The underlying formula, I would suggest, is simple: as long as Israel refuses to acknowledge the historical and ongoing victimization of Palestinians, Palestinians are damned if they will concede an inch of victimhood to Israelis, which logically requires denying it to Jews in general as well.
Am I simply trying to excuse the inexcusable? Well yes, in a way I am. By this I mean that while racism in general and anti-Semitism in particular is never ‘excusable’ as such, an understanding of how people come to express such views does, I think, help to move us away from the idea that anyone of any background in any context who can be shown to have some anti-Semitic opinions must on that account be utterly anathametised.
My point in the end is, I suppose, a simple one. For all we may talk about the profound inequality of power relations between Israelis and Palestinians, the total unbalance of a media discourse which equally apportions blame, we must still view pro-occupation Israelis as victims of their own circumstances – with understanding and a measure of sympathy. We must recognize (from our own position of relative comfort) that their fears have some justification, and that their present situation is a difficult one – however much of their own making. At the same time, if we are to shift the discourse on Israel-Palestine towards a more genuinely balanced recognition of the enormous underlying injustices which are locked into the present media narrative, we must start to confront the anti-Semitism issue head on, rather than just talking around it.
Hi Rangjan
Sorry if I was unclear. I am not against “evaluating intent in anti-semetism”. I am against evaluating whether something is antisemitic or not based on intent.
If, for example, someone targets Jews for abuse in the street of a UK city because of his anger at Israel, this is antisemitic, eventhough the intent is maybe to act in solidarity with Palestinians. Maybe that someone will not use the word “Jew” but the word “Israeli” or “Zionist”; that we still be antisemitic.
You write: “If I am anti-semetic and engage in abusive behaviour in an intention to humiliate you then it is more difficult to resolve than if my intention is to create a just resolution but I am engaging in hurtful and dangerous language.”
Yes, indeed. It will probably be easier to resolve, everything depends on whether both sides are open to rational dialogue. If when you are challenged about “hurtful and dangerous language” you step back and try to understand why that language is “hurtful and dangerous” then there is a possibility of dialogue. If instead you say “this is an old trick of Zionists to prevent criticism of Israel”, then the possibility of dialogue is closed as it has been replaced by an accusation of bad faith which is impossible to answer (“you would say that isn’t it”).
Just a quick response to Andrew Tindall
“I think it’s a major distinction that is lost on many people, especially americans.”
As an American who has lived abroad for the past four year I think you should consider that Americans themselves often are the subjects of the very same lack of distinction from people from other countries. American bashing has become quite a favourite sport of those who don’t bother to seperate out US government foriegn policy and other actions from the individual people living there.
Raphael (14) argues against evaluating intent in anti-semetism. However I would say that this is the key.
If I am anti-semetic and engage in abusive behaviour in an intention to humiliate you then it is more difficult to resolve than if my intention is to create a just resolution but I am engaging in hurtful and dangerous language.
Gilbert extends this even further in his argument that we should do things that “help to move us away from the idea that anyone of any background in any context who can be shown to have some anti-Semitic opinions must on that account be utterly anathametised.”
First of all, congratulations on being able to discuss this subject soberly and reasonably. Nothing throws people into crazed shouting as much as Israel & anti-semitism.
A few thoughts:-
Re the students outraging a flag – it’s crappy behaviour but I think turning this into an official complaint is a bit much. They were grossly offensive but that shouldn’t be a crime. In fact, if it hadn’t been two against one, I think it would have been healthier to punch the offenders rather than making official complaints.
Re Middle Eastern anti-semitism:- yes it is a shock. I was in Aleppo and saw this bookshop display in a busy shopping street:-
http://rosiebell.typepad.com/rosiebell/2010/11/book-display-in-aleppo-syria.html
On seeing Middle Eastern anti-semitism differently from Western anti-semitism:-
We have just had the affair of the supposed Gay Girl in Damascus being shown to be a fraud set up by an American pro-Palestinian activist, Tom MacMaster. Most of the Gay Girl’s blog was about the Syrian protests, but when he spoke about Israel in the guise of a Syrian it was in virulent and anti-semitic terms.
“As soon as I post this, I know, the defenders of the Holy Nation will come and denounce me, will ask why it is that I do not see their cause as holy and my own people, my own heritage, my own history, as nothing more than the squawkings of baboons.
. . .
“So when the lying liars and propagandists, the makers of hasbara and singers of paeans to the so-called Chosen claims that “Bashar tricked us into killing people (if you can call mere Arabs humans and not two-legged dogs) so as to distract from his own crimes”, tell them to stuff it. They lie.”
This virulence would not be allowed in respectable discourse about Israel in the UK. MacMaster was using his disguise to write in this fashion – because after all, he was supposed to be Syrian, and this will be overlooked.
MacMaster is, or was, is very active in Edinburgh University’s Students for Justice in Palestine. I don’t think he would have expressed such views in say, a publicity leaflet for that group, or on their website.
All pressure and political groups have some members who have strong, fierce views and who are full of hatred for their opposition. Some animal rights groups have members who really would like to kill all human beings. There are no doubt on the fringes of Greenery those who would like society to go back to subsistence agriculture (sorry if that’s not right as regards to Greens, but I think you know what I mean). These members learn to keep quiet, to tailor their message so as not to cause discredit to the main movement, and are slapped down by wiser members. It is the same with the anti-Israeli groups. In their case though the extremist side falls into a very ugly tradition with deep roots in Europe and the Middle East of anti-semitism,. So you get “Zionists” controlling the media, “Zionists” controlling the government – an updated version of an old hatred.
Some anti-Israeli activists are aware of this and try and fight it. Others dismiss it as a tale put round to railroad discussion on the actions of the Israeli government . It’s astonishing in fact how the efforts of Zionists always to shut down debate is so ineffective considering how powerful and cunning they are supposed to be.
@Kate Harris
“some members of SPSC (Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign) came along, which was great, BUT one of them kept describing Khalid as a Nazi, which was at best misguided and at worst *incredibly* offensive. I really regret that happening. If he thinks what the Israeli government and army is doing is tantamount to ethnic cleansing, it’s better to say that than bring up a party that killed millions of Jews. Apart from anything, it’s just factually inaccurate.”
I had a conversation with a Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign once, in which he tried to explain the origins of World War I by the way of the activities of the Rothschilds. Mind how you go with them.
When I sacrificed a sheep to celebrate the birth of my son, the butcher joked – when I commented on the skill with which he dispatched the animal ‘if only we were dong this to the Jews’.
The hatred of Jews has always run deep in Is lamic and Arab discourse from pre-Zionist days right back to the obsession with Jews in the Koran.
I agree with Adam’s reply to Mod: what Gilbert has read (or not) is not relevant to this post.
Kate loves what Jacob, “as a Jew”, has to say. I don’t. Here is why.
Jacob writes: “Sometimes the first thing that happens after I say I’m Jewish (or often people will just assume because you can tell I’m Jewish from about ten miles away) will be “How can Israel do this?” or “Don’t you feel freaked out by pro-Palestine protesters too?”. It sucks to have to constantly explain to people that being a Jew does not equal being a Zionist.”
I agree with Jacob up to, and including, the word “sucks”.
It sucks indeed.
It sucks because it is indeed ordinary and common racism. Not holocaust denial or “Kill the Jews” type racism, just the ordinary racism which consists in applying stereotypes to people, and, in the case of Jews, requiring of them to demonstrate that they are part of the “Good Jews”.
It sucks also in Jacob internalization of the “Zionism = evil” equation.
I am French and before coming to the UK a couple of years ago, no one had ever asked me if I was a Zionist, and frankly that word did not mean anything to me. I have now been called one so many times that I could not count anymore. Being named “Levy” and opposing the exclusion of Israeli academics (and no other academics from any other country) proposed by my Union and supported by my Green Party, has been enough to achieve this result. “Zionist” – a word which, historically, refers to a range of diverse political movements which, in the end of the 19th and first half of the 20th century, had in common the desire, achieved in 1948, to establish a Jewish state – has now become a common insult.
Kate,
The SPSC have gone a long way towards antisemitic criticism of Israel (as opposed to legitimate criticism of Israel). A non-exhaustive selection here.
http://www.engageonline.org.uk/blog/article.php?id=1752
Alasdair,
You write “No one’s uniquely denying the Jews the right to their own state.” And then: “I’m against all religiously defined states, for example.” I am sure you appreciate the considerable jump between these two sentences. The first is a considerable and frankly indefensible claim, the second is a perfectly reasonable one, restricted to your own political views, and which you then go on to illustrate.
If you look around, you will not find any campaign for the end of the very large number of states which make reference to religion or ethnicity in their constitutions. The UK for example is quite happy to have a head of state who is also the head of a Church. It has no problem with religious education “of a broadly Christian nature” in its state schools. There is no organization in the UK which militates for the dissolution of Islamic states, or for the abolition of Christian references in many European states constitutions.
There is such a campaign against the Jewish state. Such a campaign includes states such as Iran and Syria, their proxy Hezbollah, large sections of Hamas, as well as a number of anti-zionist organizations in the UK. That campaign, bizarely, brings together some people who, like you, have a general opposition to religion, and others, who would rather replace Israel by an Islamic state.
OK, sorry not to be clear there Raphael. Of course there are some people in the world who think a Jewish state should not be allowed but that other religious states should be. But I don’t think anyone here was arguing that.
And, in fact there are organisations arguing against the Christian nature of the British state, see, for example, the NSS – http://www.secularism.org.uk/secularcharter.html – and I am very much against the head of state being the head of the church, bishops sitting in our parliament and broadly Christian religious education.
There are also plenty of people who want to bring down the clerical religious Islamic states and replace them with secular, democratic alternatives, see, for just one example, the AWL – http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2009/07/01/secular-democratic-iran – or the call for not two states, or one state in Israel/Palestine, but no states, on Libcom – http://libcom.org/library/no-state-solution-gaza
I reject the idea that by being against the same entity as certain Islamist groups in any way affects my own arguments, I’m sure we can find objectionable people who support almost any political position when taken in isolation. But my opposition to the actions of the Israeli state in no way means that I support alternative nationalisms.
I love Jacob 🙂 Had to say that.
All this is very interesting.
I’m in SJP (Students for Justice in Palestine), and think that while keeping my principles and beliefs about solidarity with Palestinians I may moderate my behaviour in future. We shut down an event where Ishmael Khalid was speaking, and I stand by that completely, but perhaps we were a bit too aggressive and may have come across really badly to some members of J-Soc (the Jewish Society here at Edinburgh). Specifically, some members of SPSC (Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign) came along, which was great, BUT one of them kept describing Khalid as a Nazi, which was at best misguided and at worst *incredibly* offensive. I really regret that happening. If he thinks what the Israeli government and army is doing is tantamount to ethnic cleansing, it’s better to say that than bring up a party that killed millions of Jews. Apart from anything, it’s just factually inaccurate.
Jacob – just a quick correction, the post is by Gilbert, my brother. I agree it’s a great piece, but I don’t get the credit!
Modernity – I suspect you’ll have to wait to get your answer on what specific things Gilbert has read on the subject, I don’t think he’s got internet access for a few days (he’s travelling at the moment). However, I don’t see why that matters entirely – he is clear that the position you ask about is an opinion he is developing rather than a fact about which he is certain. Surely pitching ideas is a good thing, not something to be at a loss for words about? Feel free to explain why you disagree, but as someone who doesn’t know a huge amount about this subject – who I suspect knows less than either you or Gilbert, and as someone who may well not manage to read as many of the books on the subject as I would like, I would be interested in knowing why you think this is wrong (if you have time to explain below) rather than in just hearing an implication that some books somewhere imply this. Genuinely, it’s an interesting point for me, I don’t know where I stand on it. Please do explain why you disagree rather than just asking people to read more…
In general, thanks everyone for the comments – I’m glad we’ve managed to have a civilised and interesting discussion here about this.
It is anti semitic to uniquely deny the Jews the right to their own state out of all the peoples of the world.
No one’s uniquely denying the Jews the right to their own state. I’m against all religiously defined states, for example. I don’t like Jewish states, I don’t like Islamic states, I don’t like Christian states. To be honest, I’m not too keen on secular states either, but religiously defined states are clearly discriminatory.
Anyway, that’s far from the point of Gilbert’s very considered and careful article. Please try to actually engage with the argument if you’re going to comment here.
I appreciate this post, Adam. As a Jew, I find that people on both sides of this issue tend to throw me into the Zionist camp automatically. Sometimes the first thing that happens after I say I’m Jewish (or often people will just assume because you can tell I’m Jewish from about ten miles away) will be “How can Israel do this?” or “Don’t you feel freaked out by pro-Palestine protesters too?”. It sucks to have to constantly explain to people that being a Jew does not equal being a Zionist. I’ve never even been to Israel. So do I think some who express solidarity with the Palestinian people sometimes verge on anti-Semetism? Yes. But, more often than that, I feel like Zionist Jews unfairly take any criticism of Israel as an attack on Judaism.
Also, it should be noted that yesterday there was both a pro-Israel parade and a Gay Pride parade here in New York City, and the Gay Pride parade looked way more fun.
“Incidentally, I also think that excessive concern about anti-Semitism expressed by the West actually helps fuel anti-Semitism in the Middle East. Because people here simply cannot grasp the what the Holocaust means for ‘us’, “
I’m almost at a loss what to say, Gilbert, you manage to erect straw men and make assumptions about people in the Middle East, now I appreciate that this may have been your area of study, but have you actually read any historical literature, quality works on antisemitism? [That’s not a rhetorical question.]
It strikes me that a lot of these conversations go on, without any grounding in these complex issues. I’m sure many Greens have probably read numerous works on ecology, even the more political ones would have probably read Gramsci.
Yet many of the points here, rather than based on evidence and reason seem anecdotal, or “this bloke down the pub says” type of argument.
So in the above extract, you would have to identify how Western concerns have actually fuelled antisemitism in the Middle East, tangible evidence (certainly German antisemitism did in the 1930s, and that is well-documented), but I can’t see how contemporary concerns over racism would do that, Gilbert possibly you’d want to elaborate on that point?
I don’t think that we need to treat people in the Middle East as if they’re uneducated or can’t grasp the issue, that is as you would know a very Orientalist view.
Certainly leaders in the region have used racism against Jews as prop to deflect social resentment for the past 70+ years, but that’s another issue.
There are many in the Middle East who acknowledge these issues, not lest Arab Institute for Holocaust Research and Education.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2005/05/06/muslim_opens_holocaust_museum_in_israel/
Isn’t it interesting – Gilbert takes trouble to write in a sensitive way about antisemitism, and whaddaya know, those domineering ‘Zionists’ who always try to shut down debate about Israel are somehow nowhere to be seen.
A couple of things. Gordon and Raphael make valid points. I’d add in response to Gilbert’s at 2.33pm – it’s right to say that antisemitism shouldn’t be on a pedestal – as somebody once said, I forget who, piety breeds iconoclasm. That is exactly what is happening now – the Holocaust is being revisioned as something that is exploited by Jews; antisemitism is not actually antisemitism at all – it’s rather an accusation that Zionists make against honest Greens. And yet, it’s still up there, and people – particularly intellectuals, with antisemitic beliefs consequently go absolutely, viciously, antisemitically spare when challenged. But this stuff is dangerous, because unlike other racisms I can think of, antisemitism doesn’t talk down its object – on the contrary, it places its object at the centre of the world – the all-powerful, diabolically scheming, clandestine, tentacled Zionist. I mean Jew. This is why I don’t think that excessive concern about antisemitism is a problem. The wrong, pious, kind of concern, maybe. But not too much concern.
Thank you very much again. I’m really enjoying this discussion, and I hope you still find it constructive. I think there is a point which I didn’t really make as well as I would liked to, partly because I couldn’t find a way of saying it properly. But I’m going to try now. In the Middle East, while it is true that one comes across a lot of anti-Semitic attitudes, these aren’t by any means the only prejudices. For example, it is common to hear things expressed about Shiites as are expressed about Jews. Or again, it is pretty common to hear some dangerous views expressed about Druzes, and so on. Now, the point I was trying to make, I think, was something like this: attitudes of this sort are not by any means harmless. I’m not saying they are. Nor would I say that one shouldn’t challenge them. I try to challenge them all the time when I come across them. But when we come across prejudices of this sort, we don’t lose our heads in the same way. For example, we still expect Shiites to coexist with the Sunni Muslim majority in Saudi Arabia where until recently it was not uncommon (even, so I’m told, in school textbooks) for it to be claimed that the blood of Shiite heretics is halal – ie, that it’s lawful to kill them. We still expect Shiites to coexist with Sunni Muslims in Iraq. And while there has been a lot of blood, and a lot of radicalisation, this still doesn’t look impossible at all. We recognise in such contexts that what we have on our hands is a conflict, and the radicalisation and contentious politics go hand in hand. We can do this, because we have no special cultural label which gives anti-Shiism, for example, a special status.
Now, if I were Israeli, I would be very alarmed by some of the views that are widespread in the Middle East. Of course I would. And because Israelis have the choice (for now) of not having mostly to coexist with another, often unfriendly ethnic group, one can see why they are hardly likely to want to do so. (I’d like to point out here that this is not one sided, of course. Islamophobic and anti-Arab racism is hardly absent from Israel, and no doubt Shiites have a thing or two to say about Sunnis). I’m talking mostly about the Sunni Muslim Arab ‘side’ partly because I’m more familiar with it.
For us, however – those of us who don’t identify as Israelis, but who are embedded in a tradition which (as I said, I think, rightly, in its own context) places anti-Semitism on a unique pedestal, I’m not sure it is helpful to apply this yardstick to anti-Semitism in the Middle Eastern context. I think we would do better just to see this as a conflict like any other.
Incidentally, I also think that excessive concern about anti-Semitism expressed by the West actually helps fuel anti-Semitism in the Middle East. Because people here simply cannot grasp the what the Holocaust means for ‘us’, they can only interpret the level of Western concern about anti-Semitism as more evidence for a Jewish conspiracy that controls the West. That’s not to blame the West for being overly concerned about anti-Semitism. I’m just saying that I think that’s how things end up getting misread here.
I also wanted to address a few issues with personal opinion. It’s so important that we try to divorce personal opinion from the analysis of this sort of conflict.
Speaking as a tri-national immigrant (and no, none of those are Israel…) I’m not a big fan of national borders. I don’t like what they represent and I don’t like how they limit people. But they’re not relevant to the discussion unless you explain that Palestine similarly has no right to exist. And if the solution is International Socialism I’m afraid that’s not going to be implemented in time to be a realistic part of a peace process.
The idea of a protestant state is also not an effective analogy. As far as I am aware, there is no Protestant-ethnic diaspora. But regardless the conflict needs to be seen through the eyesoif both sides involved. They will be the ones responsible for holding the peace after all.
Both sides are having rockets fired at them. We’re in a privileged position to be able to debate the finer points of global conflict without having to worry about it spilling onto our streets. So regardless of some differencesoif opinion, more thoughtful posts such as these are always welcome. But we need to extend this goodwill to working out pragmatic plans for peace in the short term
Me again,
It would be great if you could give actual examples of instances of the “consumate skill” below in action; you write:
“This is, of course, despite that consummate skill with which supporters of Israel try to imply that criticism of that country is tantamount to hatred of Jews in general.”
You rightly note in your piece that the response “I am not criticising Jews but Israel” is sometimes not quite good enough.
Yet, the standard response when concerns about antisemitism are raised goes even further: it implies, as you suggest in the above quote, that such concerns are raised in bad faith with the dishonest intent of shutting down criticism of Israel.
This is also known as the Livingstone formulation:
http://engageonline.wordpress.com/2010/10/05/david-hirsh-the-livingstone-formulation/
Thanks for this piece. As Jess and others, I disagree with several aspects, and at the same time, I appreciate the tone which gives space for reasoned respectful discussion (and indeed, it has started and I hope it will continue!). Such space has been unfortunately singularly lacking within the party.
I will come back with some more comments, but here is a first thought. I think you give way too much importance to intent in your evaluation of what is racist or not. Maybe the most obvious example of this is the following; you write:
“Not very helpfully, I think, The Courier – our local newspaper – as labeled the case from the outset as being about ‘anti-Semitism’. It strikes me as highly unlikely that the accused are indeed anti-Semitic – at least not in their own understanding of the term”
I do not comment on whether or not this incident should be thought of as antisemitic, but I strongly object to the idea that their understanding of the term is relevant in deciding whether or not the incident is. This is a total inversion of Mc Pherson: instead of the victim defining the racist character of the incident, it is the perpetrator.
This focus on intent is then reflected in your entire analysis. It seems to me that you are struggling with the parralel dilemmna of good people / bad people versus good or acceptable opinions / bad unacceptable opinions.
To illustrate that point, near your conclusion, you writes:
“By this I mean that while racism in general and anti-Semitism in particular is never ‘excusable’ as such, an understanding of how people come to express such views does, I think, help to move us away from the idea that anyone of any background in any context who can be shown to have some anti-Semitic opinions must on that account be utterly anathametised.”
On this difficult issue of “understanding” racism, you nearly avoid Ken Loach pitfall nicely analyzed here:
http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2009/03/an-understandable-hatred.html
http://rosiebell.typepad.com/rosiebell/2009/03/i-understand.html
But, I think you are addressing a false problem. The problem is not to decide if someone should be anathemized; nobody should, but such views should be challenged if we (i.e., e.g. the Green Party) do joint actions, share platforms, etc. Otherwise, if they are not challenged, then they are normalized and this is currently what is happening. Those views should be challenged whether the person who is uttering them is white or brown, Israeli or Palestian, Jewish, Muslim, Christian or else.
“To express to such a person views which (as it happens) I myself hold – that Israel does not have (as nor does any other country have) a ‘right to exist’.” I have to take issue with that. The nation state does have a right to exist and to defend itself against external attempts to dismantle it. Only the citizens of a country should have the right to dissolve it as an entity. It’s fundamental to the principle of self determination. Some states don’t give their citizens the choice (Israel may pursue policies that many of us find abhorrent – and those policies may not be supported by all its citizens – but it is a democracy. However that it imposes its will on another people in violation of international law and denies them self determination that can reult in the creation of a viable nation state is beyond irony) however the choice, when it is made, should rest with those citizens.
Meanwhile: “Yesterday, my wife and I witnessed a couple of people in downtown Amman throw a racial jibe at a car full of black girls. That was bad, not least because of the historical difference in power relations between ethnic Arabs and black Africans. But I still submit that it would have been worse if the same slur had come from me.”
That rather overlooks the fact that in the centuries prior to the European domination of the slave trade slaving was dominated by Arabs and it’s been claimed that at least as many black Africans were shipped East as West. The history of slavery however is seen as a European/African issue because (among other reasons) a) Europeans documented it more thoroughly b) it was controversial in Europe and N America from the beginning of the 18th Century because there were some very vocal campaigners who pointed out the iniquities of slavery and Europeans had every reason to know it was an evil because it was hotly debated and c) because large numbers of African Americans and Caribbean people have been living with the consequences of slavery every since the emancipation movements of the 19th Century.
The Arab world has never confronted its history of slavery, seems to bear no sense of guilt over it and has no settled african populations descended from slaves.
As an aside we tend to overlook the tens of thousands of Europeans taken into slavery by Arab slavery as well.
And in case I’m misunderstood I am NOT arguing that Arab actions somehow mitigate European ones – just that our impressions of history are often less about historical balance and more about what is recorded and published.
Lastly I’d agree with those who don’t like categorising discrimination; we are all entitled to be judged on our own merits and not as members of a (often arbitrary) group. Firefighting the worst instances shouldn’t distract from the notion that we are all equally human and all unique individuals and ought to be treated as such.
Aside from that Gilbert – thanks – it was thought provoking 🙂
@Steve Wilson
While I also expressed concerns about the description of some racist acts as worse than others, I think we should be very careful to note that there is a difference between *racism*, *racist acts in general* and *specific racist acts*. The sexism or misogyny parallel is not to say that some rapes are worse than others (statement most reasonable people have vocally opposed in the last few weeks), but rather to say that some kinds of *sexism* is worse than others: for example, domestic abuse is worse than holding doors for women. It’s not that they stem from totally different ideologies, but that one incident causes much more harm than the other.
I don’t think it’s totally unreasonable to think that some kinds of sexist acts are worse than other kinds of sexist acts, although I think we want to be very careful about when we say this, and even more careful about when it is useful to say this. My concern is that not all situations are so clear-cut as rape-vs-door-holding, and I don’t think we should be in a position of saying “[one specific type of harm] is the only kind we should really care about”, which, as I understood the original post, is what we should be trying to get away from anyway.
As a lifelong socialist I find these comments very unsettling:
“To express to such a person views which (as it happens) I myself hold – that Israel does not have (as nor does any other country have) a ‘right to exist’. That it certainly does not have the right to be recognized ‘as a Jewish state’ (any more than I expect other countries to recognize the right of my own to exist as a Protestant state), that it was founded on the ethnic cleansing of another people and that, practically speaking, its policies of illegal occupation and expansion in territories which once upon a time might have provided for a viable Palestinian state have now made impossible any solution that would not lead, in effect, to the end of Israel as we know it – to express these views to such a person in a certain kind of way might indeed be tantamount to intimidation.”
Not much room for manoeuvre there.
and “not all racism is equally bad”? Bit of a Ken Clarke angle there…?
The question that occurs to me is why has there been such a focus on Israel yet very little focus on the really vitriolic hatred towards jews from so many other nations in the region?
Why have we rightly chided our own leaders for cosying up to dictators in the region over the last 30 years yet overlooked the fact that many on the left have also only really criticised Israel despite there having been these appalling and entrenched human rights abuses in many other countries in the region over a very long time. Why does the ‘left’ focus so much on Israel?
OK,
I’ll step back on this, I think there are a fair few notions here which are problematic, but I can see that the author is struggling with these issues and trying to find some meaningful resolve, which I think is commendable.
I don’t intend to nitpick, that would be too easy but I’d ask a question of the author and any Greens here:
do people in the Green party actually read about racism, its theories, its history, and in particular about the myths and history that comprise antisemitism**?
[That’s not a rhetorical question, I don’t know the answer as I’m not terribly familiar with Greens, and I’d welcome a few candid replies, if possible]
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** might I suggest in the future that the author uses the unhyphenated form antisemitism, as ‘semitism’ doesn’t exist in English as a real word, etc
I absolutely do not agree with some of this post and its conclusions, but more heartening than anything was the delivery and tone.
What a refreshing and thoughtful piece. Thank you very much. Sincerely, Jessica Goldfinch
Thank you all very much for these comments. I think they’re very interesting and constructive. Clearly I’m wrestling with some pretty difficult stuff here, and I can hardly claim to have the final word, even in my own head. I was quite worried in posting this that people would jump to conclusions, so I’m really grateful that you’ve taken the trouble to read this carefully and in the spirit I intended it.
This is a really interesting thoughtful piece — kudos for that.
I think you’re absolutely right that we have to be able/willing to acknowledge real hurts from everybody.
I take your points about not all racist acts being equal, but I think this is something to be cautious about. I don’t think it’s always possible to rank racist acts, and in some cases we shouldn’t try. This matters to your argument because as long as we’re engaged in a contest of “who’s suffered more” and “who’s the bigger victim”, we’re not really acknowledging the real worries and hurts in the way that you (rightly) suggest we should, and in a way that ultimately I think opens up avenues for dialogues and negotiations.
–IP
On relative awfulness of racism – “If a white British person says something a bit rude about French people in general, that is clearly not as bad as if … ”
I’m not sure what this opens the door to. How far do we take it? Do we say that if there were racism on the part of Iraqi Israeli Jews (Jews from Arab lands and their descendents are the largest demographic in Israel) against Palestinian Arabs, that would be less awful than if there were racism on the part of the Israeli Jews from, say, Germany? I wonder if the targets of that racism would distinguish, or whether lump them all together as Jews, or whether feel that the current in the more populous group was more of a threat…
I’m inclined to be equally hard on and equally understanding of the stereotyping and prejudice that is the basis of racism, independent of who is doing it and whom is targeted by it. That really should go for philosemitism too.
I have a number of disagreements with your piece, particularly some of the common sense statements you make to account for your views about Israel. But while facts are very important, the fight against antisemitism won’t, I think, be won by engaging in contests of facts, so I will swallow a few times and leave them alone.
Basically your post keeps open possibilities which the Green Party EW, and most recently UCU, closed when they threw out a working definition of antisemitism which allowed for euphemistic antisemitism expressed as anti-Zionism. Kudos to you for that.
Your piece also encourages people not to think of antisemitism as the worst view you can hold (as you say, not Satanistic). This is a good direction. While antisemitism is taboo, it is hard to admit it in ourselves. Concerns about antisemitism related to anti-Israel campaigning currently shut down debate just like this – those who raise antisemitism may want to have a conversation; those against whose acts or words it is alleged are frequently too outraged to countenance a conversation, and so certain that they are untouched by antisemitic beliefs that they make counter-allegations of covering up for Israel, being in a lobby, and so on.
As a political party (or gathering of parties), Greens must work to get Israel in perspective. There are many conflicts and oppressions in this world. To view Israel as somehow emblematic or some kind of world fulcrum would be false. Putting Israel at the centre of the world is also something antisemites do. And yet it looms disproportionately large in Green international politics.
I think your conclusion is a good one – it basically recommends an inquisitive, compassionate attitude to the conflict. That can’t go wrong.
Modernity: did you read the whole piece? This is exactly what Gilbert is saying – that some actions that are anti-Israel rather than meant to be anti-semitic can still be offensive.
We need to think about racism and the wider parallels, hypothetically suppose they took a Jamaican flag and rubbed it on their groins, how would that look?
Further, suppose someone said “I am not anti-Black, it is Jamaicans I can’t stand”
How would you view that?
Think carefully, as such comments were common enough in parts of 1970s Britain.
This sentence is a bit vague:
“Criticism – even aggressive criticism of the State of Israel – is not anti-Semitism.”
It is not always anti-Semitism, but it can be. Rubbing your groin on the Star of David, both as a cultural symbol, and a symbol of the state of Israel is troubling both because of the resonance of the symbol with that race or ethicity, and the ties between the State and an individual’s ethnicity (which is not the case in most modern Civic nation states).
Generally though, I agree with a lot of ideas in this post. The problem with arbitrary dividing lines between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is that they give carte blanche to anti-Zionists to accuse people who feel that they have been treated prejudicially of effectively being liars. More polarity, more argument. And when the people drawing up these definitions are not even personally affected by this prejudice, it’s hard to see where they get the moral authority to draw these distinctions from…
Whenever I talk of or criticise Israel, I will always point out that I am criticising the *government* and/or *army*, and not the people of israel, or israel’s right to exist as a state.
I think it’s a major distinction that is lost on many people, especially americans.